Comments on: Irving at the Lit & Deb: A reply to Prof Schabas http://www.cearta.ie/2009/01/irving-at-the-lit-deb-a-reply-to-prof-schabas/ the Irish for rights Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:43:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: cearta.ie » Should galleries and museums display offensive art? http://www.cearta.ie/2009/01/irving-at-the-lit-deb-a-reply-to-prof-schabas/comment-page-1/#comment-16375 cearta.ie » Should galleries and museums display offensive art? Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:17:20 +0000 http://www.cearta.ie/?p=1449#comment-16375 [...] censored: free speech means freedom for the thought we hate, even that of David Irving (eg, here, here, here, and here), Jean-Marie le Pen, or Kevin Myers, and even – especially! – in [...] [...] censored: free speech means freedom for the thought we hate, even that of David Irving (eg, here, here, here, and here), Jean-Marie le Pen, or Kevin Myers, and even – especially! – in [...]

]]> By: cearta.ie » Updates: Joyce, hecklers and broadcasting http://www.cearta.ie/2009/01/irving-at-the-lit-deb-a-reply-to-prof-schabas/comment-page-1/#comment-10630 cearta.ie » Updates: Joyce, hecklers and broadcasting Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:19:07 +0000 http://www.cearta.ie/?p=1449#comment-10630 [...] should not be allowed to veto unpopular views, and none come more unpopular that holocaust-denier David Irving. Now comes news that NUI Galway’s Lit & Deb society have withdrawn their controversial [...] [...] should not be allowed to veto unpopular views, and none come more unpopular that holocaust-denier David Irving. Now comes news that NUI Galway’s Lit & Deb society have withdrawn their controversial [...]

]]> By: Deals.ie http://www.cearta.ie/2009/01/irving-at-the-lit-deb-a-reply-to-prof-schabas/comment-page-1/#comment-8600 Deals.ie Mon, 18 May 2009 14:26:32 +0000 http://www.cearta.ie/?p=1449#comment-8600 Eoin, Thank for post and your opinion. I agree with many your points. Best wishes! Eoin, Thank for post and your opinion. I agree with many your points. Best wishes!

]]> By: Hon. Robert Lynch, Arizona, USA http://www.cearta.ie/2009/01/irving-at-the-lit-deb-a-reply-to-prof-schabas/comment-page-1/#comment-6591 Hon. Robert Lynch, Arizona, USA Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:09:56 +0000 http://www.cearta.ie/?p=1449#comment-6591 Absolutely hilarious! "We are all for free speech but we can't have forbidden speech. The only Nazis I see here are those trying to stop Irving. N.B., I happen to know Irving and do not like him personally. He is selfish, arrogant and grasping. On the other hand there is no one on this planet who researched and accumulated masses of data on the Third Reich as Irving. No one has ever found a single written order by Hitler for any killing of Jews. Remember, the Germans are the most compulsive record keepers on Earth The other thing is we are asked to believe the Germans would hold up troop trains and supplies trains to the entire Eastern Front in order to ship Jews hundreds of miles to the East just to kill them! The Germans may be peculiar but they are not insane. Now, as to the "das chambers" themselves, no one has ever seen one. The ones existing today were built after the war. Zyklon B was used as method of delousing clothing in Europe for years before the war. In every story always ask the Roman question, "Qui bono?" Oh, and don't put the anti-semite label on me because I disagree with the "official" story. You can deny the very exitence of God, you can deny any and all historical facts EXCEPT ONE THING! Qui bono? Absolutely hilarious! “We are all for free speech but we can’t have forbidden speech. The only Nazis I see here are those trying to stop Irving. N.B., I happen to know Irving and do not like him personally. He is selfish, arrogant and grasping. On the other hand there is no one on this planet who researched and accumulated masses of data on the Third Reich as Irving.
No one has ever found a single written order by Hitler for any killing of Jews. Remember, the Germans are the most compulsive record keepers on Earth
The other thing is we are asked to believe the Germans would hold up troop trains and supplies trains to the entire Eastern Front in order to ship Jews hundreds of miles to the East just to kill them! The Germans may be peculiar but they are not insane.
Now, as to the “das chambers” themselves, no one has ever seen one. The ones existing today were built after the war. Zyklon B was used as method of delousing clothing in Europe for years before the war.
In every story always ask the Roman question, “Qui bono?”
Oh, and don’t put the anti-semite label on me because I disagree with the “official” story.
You can deny the very exitence of God, you can deny any and all historical facts EXCEPT ONE THING! Qui bono?

]]> By: Ross Stevenson http://www.cearta.ie/2009/01/irving-at-the-lit-deb-a-reply-to-prof-schabas/comment-page-1/#comment-6568 Ross Stevenson Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:41:45 +0000 http://www.cearta.ie/?p=1449#comment-6568 Some issues that David Irving speaks on are not the only ones that are verboten. There are many. Over the years, I've raised many politically incorrect arguments. These include evidence that the planet is not experiencing increased warming, that political parties subvert democracy through Member control and that fluoridation, rather than reducing decay, causes it (see dental fluorosis). In every case, the major media's response is not to present or encourage sound debate. Take fluoridation - fluoridationists refuse to publicly debate scientists who support freedom of choice. Though I was on a major government fluoridation inquiry and can present credible evidence and logic, I am invariably refused the chance to respond to the hundreds of false claims in the media. If somehow a message bringer does gain a platform to present evidence, they are vilified - a tactic designed to prevent people examining the message they bring. Was it any different in ancient times? My advice is to leave no stone unturned in the search for truth. Otherwise one will never know whether the most violently suppressed views are true or not. Some issues that David Irving speaks on are not the only ones that are verboten. There are many. Over the years, I’ve raised many politically incorrect arguments. These include evidence that the planet is not experiencing increased warming, that political parties subvert democracy through Member control and that fluoridation, rather than reducing decay, causes it (see dental fluorosis).

In every case, the major media’s response is not to present or encourage sound debate. Take fluoridation – fluoridationists refuse to publicly debate scientists who support freedom of choice. Though I was on a major government fluoridation inquiry and can present credible evidence and logic, I am invariably refused the chance to respond to the hundreds of false claims in the media.

If somehow a message bringer does gain a platform to present evidence, they are vilified – a tactic designed to prevent people examining the message they bring.

Was it any different in ancient times?

My advice is to leave no stone unturned in the search for truth. Otherwise one will never know whether the most violently suppressed views are true or not.

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